Most Ruthless DBZ Hero?

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Most Ruthless DBZ Hero?
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Dec 16 2011, 03:58 AM Post #1
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I used to think that the most ruthless hero in DBZ was Vegeta, but I'm not so sure about that anymore... I've recently begun to believe that it's Gohan. Here are my reasons why. You can agree with me or disagree with me, but whatever you say probably isn't going to change my mind. I have been thinking about this for a long while now. Gohan isn't a fighter like the others, obviously. He says it, Piccolo says it, and Goku finally admits it in the end. Gohan isn't the same as the others. He doesn't like to hurt people unless he absolutely has to, and his fury is only triggered when someone he cares about is in danger. When a villain (Frieza, Cell, Buu) pushes him past his breaking point (harming a friend), he completely loses his mind. He goes into an entirely new state, and his anger is uncontrollable. 1) Gohan's uncontrollable anger is first shown when Goku is being tortured by Raditz. When Gohan attacks Raditz, he is no longer the same frightened little boy he was moments before. He is an entirely new person. 2) When Krillin is tortured and "killed" by Frieza, Gohan loses it. He attacks Frieza in a blind fury, blasting him until he believes him to be dead. 3) The most obvious example is Gohan's SSJ2 transformation. He only reaches the peak of his power when his friends are in danger and #16 is ruthlessly murdered by Cell. Once his fury is triggered, he completely transforms (not only to SSJ2, but to a completely different person). He becomes a monster, savagely killing the Cell Juniors. He even goes so far as to continue fighting Cell just to torture him even though Cell has clearly lost the will to fight and is afraid of him. Remember: even Goku never acted this way. He gave all of his enemies a chance to live when they were beaten. There are other examples that I've left out, but I pointed out the most obvious ones. If you're still wondering why I believe that Gohan is the most ruthless character (perhaps you're wondering why I think he's even more savage than Vegeta?) then take a look at these: http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz199/broken-lullaby/1.jpg http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz199/broken-lullaby/11.jpg http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz199/broken-lullaby/111.jpg You never see any other character murder anyone in this manner, in such numbers, and in such a blind fury. Here's an example as to why I think Gohan even scares Vegeta: http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz199/broken-lullaby/11111.jpg The only thing that stops Gohan is Goku's death. After that, he resorts back to his normal self. And so I came to the conclusion that Gohan is definitely the most ruthless hero in DBZ. I'm not going to say most ruthless character, because I'm pretty sure Frieza tops him. Dispute my claim all you will. I have more evidence to fall back on, but for the sake of keeping this topic at a reasonable length, I think I'll stop for now. /End rant.



Jamason	Dec 16 2011, 04:04 AM Post #2
SSj3 Goten Posts: 300 Group: Member Member #7,017 Joined: November 26, 2011	I agree, gohan is one. Then Vegeta.



NavonWise	Dec 16 2011, 04:25 AM Post #3
Realist Rapper Alive Posts: 1,889 Group: Member Member #6,948 Joined: November 5, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	That depends on how you define ruthless...
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Dec 16 2011, 04:32 AM Post #4
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Ruthless: without pity or compassion; cruel; merciless; brutal. When Gohan's anger is triggered, he becomes ruthless.



Sachiel	Dec 16 2011, 04:34 AM Post #5
Posts: 251 Group: Member Member #6,584 Joined: August 8, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime LOGH, Kaiji, Armored Trooper Votoms, Neon Genesis Evangelion What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Punpun, Vinland Saga, Berserk, Yotsubato, etc.	You make some good points, but I still think it's Vegeta.



NavonWise	Dec 16 2011, 04:42 AM Post #6
Realist Rapper Alive Posts: 1,889 Group: Member Member #6,948 Joined: November 5, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I don't know I think it's still Vegeta. He has no compassion for his opponents, I mean the guy killed baby Namekiens and he didn't have to do that, all he had to do was get the Dragon Balls and leave, but nope, he killed them all anyways. I think I put Gohan second, until I see him doing what Vegeta has done.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Dec 16 2011, 05:00 AM Post #7
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Weskur Dec 16 2011, 04:42 AM I don't know I think it's still Vegeta. He has no compassion for his opponents, I mean the guy killed baby Namekiens and he didn't have to do that, all he had to do was get the Dragon Balls and leave, but nope, he killed them all anyways. I think I put Gohan second, until I see him doing what Vegeta has done. Good point, but I didn't really count Vegeta until after the Frieza saga because he wasn't a hero at that point. Heck, he wasn't even really a hero in the Cell saga, but I went ahead and included him. I do have an argument, though. Vegeta never went into a blind rage like Gohan. His anger was never "triggered." It was always there. So while he fought, he was always himself - he could always think clearly. Gohan, however, could not. There is no telling what he might have done had he been angry enough, because I don't really believe that he was the same person once his anger was triggered. Vegeta was merciless, sure, but I don't think that he was necessarily the cold-blooded killer that Gohan was when he was angry. Vegeta showed no mercy because he felt that it was how Saiyans should be. He felt that he had the need to prove himself, and he believed that killing was necessary. Gohan, on the other hand, killed because he was angry and wanted anyone who hurt his friends to suffer. I don't think that Vegeta ever really wanted his victims to suffer like Gohan did. He just wanted them dead. EDIT: In response to your comment about Vegeta killing the Namekians, you make a good point. I think that when Vegeta killed them he was trying to prove himself. He was trying to prove to Frieza and his minions that he was just as strong as they were, and that he wasn't afraid to take them on. Basically, it was an act of trying to seem high and mighty rather than making the Namekians suffer. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Dec 16 2011, 05:03 AM.



~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Dec 16 2011, 05:42 AM Post #8
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	Vegeta tops Gohan and Frieza IMO.



NavonWise	Dec 16 2011, 06:06 AM Post #9
Realist Rapper Alive Posts: 1,889 Group: Member Member #6,948 Joined: November 5, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	ObsessiveFanGirl Dec 16 2011, 05:00 AM Weskur Dec 16 2011, 04:42 AM I don't know I think it's still Vegeta. He has no compassion for his opponents, I mean the guy killed baby Namekiens and he didn't have to do that, all he had to do was get the Dragon Balls and leave, but nope, he killed them all anyways. I think I put Gohan second, until I see him doing what Vegeta has done. Good point, but I didn't really count Vegeta until after the Frieza saga because he wasn't a hero at that point. Heck, he wasn't even really a hero in the Cell saga, but I went ahead and included him. I do have an argument, though. Vegeta never went into a blind rage like Gohan. His anger was never "triggered." It was always there. So while he fought, he was always himself - he could always think clearly. Gohan, however, could not. There is no telling what he might have done had he been angry enough, because I don't really believe that he was the same person once his anger was triggered. Vegeta was merciless, sure, but I don't think that he was necessarily the cold-blooded killer that Gohan was when he was angry. Vegeta showed no mercy because he felt that it was how Saiyans should be. He felt that he had the need to prove himself, and he believed that killing was necessary. Gohan, on the other hand, killed because he was angry and wanted anyone who hurt his friends to suffer. I don't think that Vegeta ever really wanted his victims to suffer like Gohan did. He just wanted them dead. EDIT: In response to your comment about Vegeta killing the Namekians, you make a good point. I think that when Vegeta killed them he was trying to prove himself. He was trying to prove to Frieza and his minions that he was just as strong as they were, and that he wasn't afraid to take them on. Basically, it was an act of trying to seem high and mighty rather than making the Namekians suffer. Even in the Buu saga though, Vegeta killed hundreds of people when he turned Majin, and we all know all that did was give him more power. The second blast was even close to where Bulma was, imagine if it would have hit her. But he didn't care at that point. I mean if Vegeta did all those things being normal, imagine him in rage lol
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Illustrious	Dec 16 2011, 06:15 AM Post #10
Posts: 426 Group: Member Member #5,087 Joined: August 1, 2010	Vegeta did have some compassion; he let Cell absorb Android #18 when he could have just killed him instead.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Dec 16 2011, 06:16 AM Post #11
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I knew that you were gonna throw that one at me! Haha! I agree that what Vegeta did was pretty bad, but he didn't really mean to hurt anyone. You could argue that he wasn't in his right mind and that Babidi was possibly the cause of it. Or perhaps his Majin power was influencing him in some way. I just can't see post-Cell arc Vegeta doing something like that. I'm sure that if he had accidentally killed Bulma, he would have been devastated, and he felt horrible for killing the people afterwards. He made sure that they were all wished back. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that Gohan had no reason to "make Cell suffer." He even had his own father screaming at him, telling him to stop, and he tried go through with it anyway for no reason other than self-satisfaction. No one was controlling his mind, so there's no argument there. Ehhh. Who knows.



NavonWise	Dec 16 2011, 06:39 AM Post #12
Realist Rapper Alive Posts: 1,889 Group: Member Member #6,948 Joined: November 5, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Well if you defined ruthless with, "without pity or compassion; cruel; merciless; brutal" then that's your answer lol. Even if you might think Vegeta didn't mean to, the guy still killed those people, "without pity or compassion" and it was, "cruel; merciless; brutal" Gohan wouldn't have done that, I think even if he lost control he would still know not to hurt anyone else. How about Oozaru, now he's ruthless lol. Edited by NavonWise, Dec 16 2011, 06:40 AM.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Dec 16 2011, 06:54 AM Post #13
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	I don't class Majin Vegeta (when he was first possessed) as a hero. He did eventually change back, but he was trying to be a villain again. He wanted to get rid of his attachments and life on earth so he could go back to what he was.
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NavonWise	Dec 16 2011, 06:56 AM Post #14
Realist Rapper Alive Posts: 1,889 Group: Member Member #6,948 Joined: November 5, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	It was still him though, Babidi was never in control so it was all Vegeta.
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+ Clearin	Dec 16 2011, 01:10 PM Post #15
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I'd say Vegeta but I don't class him as a hero until the Kid Buu saga where he doesn't get a chance to show his ruthlessness. I'll have to say Gohan in rage boost otherwise I don't think there's any hero that's truly ruthless.



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